Re: Verkiezingen US
Geplaatst: 12 nov 2016 12:28
Geen toeval. Gewoon het gevolg van dumpen door een land. Van wat dan ook.
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Daar kwamen van jouw kant nog geen reacties en nu kom je opnieuw met een artikel van Moore.Peter van Velzen schreef:Er spelen nog meer zaken mee. Er stemden 200. 000 mensen meer op Hillary dan op Donald, maar door het verouderde kiessysteem doet dat er niet toe. Maar dan nog: Miljoenen stemden op nog andere kandidaten. Zij hebben feitelijk niet eens echt mee gekozen.
Ik wist trouwens niet, dat in deze overbevolkte wijken en gebieden zo weinig mogelijkheden waren voor kiezers en dat men daar vaak uren in de rijen moet staan om een stem uit te brengen.But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November – who is going to have t he most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, Dick and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot?
In Florida was het verschil 1,3% in het voordeel van Donald Trump en in Pennsylvania 1,2%. Dus al was het maar voor ongeveer 0,7% een argument om voor Donald Trump te stemmen in plaats van voor Hillary Clinton in deze beide staten, dan had dit de uitslag in het voordeel van Hillary Clinton kunnen beslissen als Hillary Clinton de onrust serieuzer had genomen die bij tenminste een deel van de bevolking heerste over islamisme en jihadisme.The problem that worried me the whole time is the Left’s total failure to speak honestly about Islam and terrorism and the refugee crisis in Europe. And this, I think, was decisive and certainly was one of the things that, had it gone the other way, would have given us a different result.
In the middle it seems strange to cite polls at this point, but what else can I do? The exit polls show that the people who said their primary concerns were terrorism and immigration voted overwhelmingly for Trump, whereas those who are concerned about the economy or foreign policy voted for Clinton.
So it wasn't the economy, stupid, this time around, though economic fears certainly played a role. And it wasn't just poor whites who supported Trump. The median income of Trump voters was seventy-two thousand dollars. And I think that in this election concerns about terrorism and immigration largely boiled down to a concern about Islamism and to the fear and distrust provoked by liberal lies about it. The immigration means other things of course, but I don't think it is mainly that there were a lot of white people who have a median income of seventy-two thousand dollars want to pick strawberries for a living.
If my collisions on social media told me anything over the last year, it is that many people were nearly single-issue voters when it came to islam. I would bet that this accounts for many more people then voted for a third-party candidate, which was also probably decisive.
The fact that we have a president who wouldn't even use the phrase Islamic extremism, who could even say things like "terrorism has less to do with Islam than any other religion", and the fact that Clinton seems to embrace this delusion even though she did on occasion use the phrase radical jihadism, as though that made any sense, was a terrible problem. And of course the fact that she and her husband had taken tens of millions of dollars from the Saudis and other Islamist regimes didn't help. And couple that with this unexplained desire to increase the number of Syrian refugees by five hundred and fifty percent without ever acknowledging what is going wrong in Europe.
This was a dealbreaker for many people and I heard from these people endlessly over the last year and the problem of course is that people are right to be worried about Islamism and jihadism.
And all the Left has offered on this point are lies and sanctimony and charges of racism and bigotry. Worrying about Islam more than any other religion at this moment is not a sign of racism or bigotry. Muslims themselves should be worried more about Islam at this moment then about Mormonism or Anglicanism or Judaism. This is basic human sanity. And most people know it.
But Clinton was the sort of politician who in the immediate aftermath of the Orlando massacre spoke only about gun control and then issued grave warnings about a rise in Islamophobia when we had just suffered yet another jihadist atrocity on American soil.
This was unforgivably stupid. And I knew it at the time that this was the sort of stupidity that could pave the way for Trump.
I even wrote a section of a speech I thought Clinton should give about Islamism and jihadism and put it on my blog. It would have been so easy for her to have made sense on this issue and to have differentiated a sane understanding of jihadism from bigotry against Muslims in general. But she couldn't do it. She wouldn't do it.
All of these things contributed to her loss and to the rise of Trump.
Het schijnt zelfs uiteindelijk uit te lopen op een ongeveer 2 miljoen stemmen in het voordeel van de verliezer, meer dan ooit eerder het geval is geweest:vegan-revolution schreef:Peter had het al over een verschil van 200.000 stemmen in het voordeel van Hillary Clinton, maar men is daarna nog door gaan tellen en inmiddels is de tussenstand zelfs ruim 600.000 stemmen meer voor Hillary Clinton dan voor Donald Trump.
Knettergek systeem daar. 5e keer dat het gebeurt, maar nu wel heel spektakulair.Clinton heeft nu één miljoen meer stemmen gekregen dan Trump
Voorstel in Congres om Electoral College af te schaffen
Donald Trumps tegenstanders hebben meer munitie in handen gekregen nu blijkt dat Hillary Clinton een miljoen meer stemmen heeft gewonnen. Volgens de laatste tellingen is het verschil woensdag opgelopen tot meer dan één miljoen. Dit blijkt uit de laatste berekening van het Amerikaanse Cook Political Report. Clinton staat nu op 62.414.099 stemmen en Trump op 61.255.290. Een week na de verkiezingen worden nog steeds stemmen geteld en verwerkt.
Nixon.dikkemick schreef:Is er ooit een president (onvrijwillig) afgezet?